Troy

[anaria22]

What is it with you people and your obsession with R's? Being an R doens't necessarily make it a good movie. Plus this means I won't be able to see it so easily.

[Darkness]

It also means that the makers aren't aimming for a mass audience and trying to give themselves the ability to take a lot of artistic and realistic liberty. They now have the freedom to really portray the battles realistically and show how devastating this war was. That's why the R rating is such a big deal.

[KayTang999]

Let's just say this movie is better off with R rated than PG-13. It is not about the viewers, it is about the film and how they want to make it as good as they can. R rated give them more space to do that. Beside, they can't satisfy everyone.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by anaria22
What is it with you people and your obsession with R's? Being an R doens't necessarily make it a good movie. Plus this means I won't be able to see it so easily.

its not that. its just that this is a violent story, and it wouldnt do the story justice if the movie wasnt an R... IMO...

[KayTang999]

Agreed. However, I don't mind being R rated because of violent contents because it is needed but nudity? I still think that they can make it without having these people naked on screen. I can be extremely prude.

[Brock Landers]

I'm so happy this is R....badass

[rayzor09]

It's not a terribly violent story...

[KayTang999]

The story is not but the action is. You can say that this city fights with this city and it is a story with some violence but when someone define and detail the word fight, it is a different picture.

[Queen Arwen]

I just saw the newest trailer that CS! put up, and I am B-L-O-W-N away!!! :applaud: I can't wait!

[KayTang999]

New trailer? Is it the one with Agamemnon and Menelaus talking with each other?

[Andrey83]

I read an interview with petersen yesterday in a norwegian movie magazine.

"near the end of the movie, there will be a huge fight between two of the carracters. One of the biggest you have ever seen on film" ( guess between pitt and bana).

"The movie starts with paris being in a meeting with Manelaus (i think it was that name written). And Paris sees the love of his life, and steels her to back to Troy"

"Paris is pretty much the villain in the movie"

Then there was a little add from Orlando Bloom

"Well, i wouldnt call paris a villain. More like a antihero or something".

[KayTang999]

Well I hope Paris is the villian. But according the the review of the people who have seen the movie, they don't think that Paris is the villian.

Actually, the ulitimate villian in Trojan War is Agamemnon, which I hope and think that they did that part right. This would be a role of life time for Brian Cox. But like he needs this one anyway, he is just an amazing actor.

[Andrey83]

I think you will get the feeling that paris is the villain because: Spoiler follows

When they are fighting the war, Paris is inside making love to his girl. And the was is because of him. You might wanna hate him after the movie Orlando says. Though he hopes that people wont hate him

[KayTang999]

Ok, now that is better if that is true because that is exactly how Paris is. But it doesn't look like that from the trailer when he said "I didn't ask you to fight my war." or something of that sort to Hector. It sound likes he takes his responsibility early on in the war.

[Andrey83]

Yeah. I've noticed that as well. But this came from orlando himself. But then again, that might change for the realease. I dont know.

You know the story Kay?

Doesnt Paris kill Achilles?

[KayTang999]

Yes, that he did. At least in Homer's and some other poets of his time's world.

Even if it came out from he himself it doesn't mean anything, unless he is the one who is sitting in the cutting room and done the deed himself.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by KayTang999

Even if it came out from he himself it doesn't mean anything, unless he is the one who is sitting in the cutting room and done the deed himself.

Thats why i said "thats might change for the release" ;)

[Elf Lady]

Originally posted by KayTang999
Actually, the ulitimate villian in Trojan War is Agamemnon, which I hope and think that they did that part right. This would be a role of life time for Brian Cox. But like he needs this one anyway, he is just an amazing actor. From what I've read of the test screening reviews, I think you'll get your wish, Kay. :)

[KayTang999]

That is what I think too Elf Lady from the review I have read.

[Andrey83]

From what i've read there is no ultimate villain in this film. Might be hard to choose side.

[Darkness]

I get the feeling that all sides are going to be portrayed as at fault, and really that's the truth. And frankly, for as much as I hate her, Helen was sort of a victim in it all as were the majority of the women. Hector was too more or less. In the original story, Hector was just sort of there, he didn't really have anything to do with the original reasons for the war. I get the feeling they're probably going to make him the most sympathetic out of everyone.

[KayTang999]

Well one thing I learned about Hector from Iliad is how much he value honor. Anyone cross his territory, he will crush them all. He has high sense of patrioticism. He loves his country, that why he was in this war. Like in the conversation in the trailer, this is not his war but since it was on the front door of of his home, he will fight to protect it no matter what. The only thing that he did and lead to his death was his battle with Patroclus. Which IMO, it wasn't entirely his fault since Patroclus was wearing Achilles' armor and Hector knew he has to kill Achilles in order to win the war. If anything was to blame for Hector it would be his destiny.

Hector and Menelaus are the victim of a few senseless act but a few senseless people. The 2 main people are to blame would be Paris and Agamemnon. Paris is pretty obvious but Agamemnon has his own agenda. He doesn't care about getting Helen back, he just want to control Troy because of Troy's wealth and its trading advance over other city-states.

This is why I don't get the title of the movie. Naming it Troy is a bit one sided IMO. Because of that I think the movie will focus more on Troy side than on the Greek side. How this movie will turn out will be really interesting.

[Darkness]

I think they named it Troy because there really isn't anything else to name it. Call it "The Trojan War" and you've got a bunch of teenagers snickering at the title. And really, the action takes place at Troy.

I personally don't feel a whole lot of sympathy for Menelaus and I never really have. I never really got the impression he loved Helen like a wife, but more like a possession. Hector has my sympathy though because he was a good man who loved his country, his wife and his son. He was just doing his job.

[KayTang999]

I know but even though Menelaus and Helen might not be in love, the fact that they are husband and wife is still there. Honor, everything is about honor. Sure Helen is not own by anyone but at least there should be a curtisy call you know. The whole thing that happen for Menelaus is like Paris slapped him in the face. Which is extremely disrespectful IMO. So I feel bad that his wife got stolen from him or ran away.

I think I am a bit too modern to understand how people back then feel but if someone stole my husband I would go after that person instantly too.

Also, Menelaus is his own brother pawn which is suck.

[Darkness]

I do agree that Menelaus was used as a pawn then. To me, the war wasn't about love but about a bunch of guys with way too much ego slugging it out because they got slighted.

[KayTang999]

Exactly, the war is not about "love". Like I have said so many times, if that was about love, there was no way in hell people like Achilles, Odyessus, Ajax, and even Agamemnon himself would risk their life over. They are not the kind of people who are that romantic, seriously.

[Elf Lady]

Latino Review has pictures of the new Troy posters shown at ShoWest in Las Vegas.

http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2004/showest/showest-2004.html

Scroll to the bottom and click on the thumbnails for a bigger view.

I like this one (wonder why?) ;)

http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/orlando/troy/images/showest-troy2.jpg

[KayTang999]

For love??? Oy!!! Am I in this for Trojan War or Romeo and Juliet???

Now the For Honor one sound much better.

[Darkness]

Eh, I see it as them having two beautiful people, therefore, they have to make a love themed one. You're not going to get the same effect if you put "for lust" on that one. Just a marketing ploy in my mind.

[KayTang999]

Well, that would be the true but sure, it would throw a lot of people if they used that.

[rayzor09]

Yes! Than means boobies!!!

[Undome-Elenamin]

'For Love'? You've got to be kidding me. I'm a fan of OB but seriously from what I hear, in the movie he's not even a major part. Even if he were, the story, like Kay said, is not about the love because then it'd just be Menelaus and Paris arguing over Helen. It's just kind of wrong to say it was all fought for love. JMO

[Penny Lane]

i think the for love part with the helen and paris poster is the fact that the reason he took her was because he loved her, and then it turned into an honor thing between the 2 nations

[KayTang999]

Yah but they should not emphacized (SP) the love part because it is not the major part of the movie, not even true IMO. But hey if that get people to watch and work for them well bless them.

[Colorado Cajun]

Originally posted by Elf Lady
Latino Review has pictures of the new Troy posters shown at ShoWest in Las Vegas.

http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2004/showest/showest-2004.html

Scroll to the bottom and click on the thumbnails for a bigger view.

I like this one (wonder why?) ;)

http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/orlando/troy/images/showest-troy2.jpg

ok what the hell is that? Helen didn't even love Paris from what I can remember. He just ganked her and took her away

But since it has Keira in it it's alright by me lol

[the elmo zombie]

troy looks good

[Cartagia]

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
But since it has Keira in it it's alright by me lol

Sorry, but that's not her. It's achick named Diane Krueger IIRC.

[Darkness]

Like I said, if you've got two gorgeous people in a movie, you might as well put them on a poster. Especially since that's a part of the story that people might know.

As for the love thing, it depends which version you're going from. In some versions she went with Paris willingly, in some, very willingly. In other versions Paris kidnapped her. The more common one is that she went with Paris willingly. This also seems to be the theme this movie is going to play up.

[KayTang999]

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
ok what the hell is that? Helen didn't even love Paris from what I can remember. He just ganked her and took her away


That is the version I am acquainted to too. But as darkness said, there are so many versions. But if they are going to advertise this as based on or inspired by Homer, then they should stick to Homer and as far as I concerned, Homer didn't say it was love either.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by KayTang999
That is the version I am acquainted to too. But as darkness said, there are so many versions. But if they are going to advertise this as based on or inspired by Homer, then they should stick to Homer and as far as I concerned, Homer didn't say it was love either.

In the comic, which is based on homer, she loves paris. And in the trailer it looks like she does too, so i think this is the version they will go with...

[Tony Montana]

Movie looks awesome...

[Darkness]

I must say the Hector/Achilles poster looks awesome. I mean they have it cut down to them fighting with broken weapons and everything. It looks like that fight is going to be knock down drag out.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by Darkness
I must say the Hector/Achilles poster looks awesome. I mean they have it cut down to them fighting with broken weapons and everything. It looks like that fight is going to be knock down drag out.

If you take a look one post back, you can read a line of info about the fight. Its suppose to be the biggest ever seen on screen etc.. :)

[Penny Lane]

the paris/ helen poster is beautiful as one would expect, but the hector/achilles one is so awesome, i'm really pumped now

[JackBauer]

i can't wait to see brad pitt fighting eric bana!!!!!!!!!!

[Darkness]

The horse is even done pretty well. Not like you normally see it all polished and perfect looking. This thing looks like someone just slapped it together with the best they had, which is the truth. Good move on the movie makers part.

Bana and Pitt would not be the first people to pop into my mind when I think "fight to end all fights", but I must say, the way they're looking, and from what I've heard, from now on they're going to be.

[KayTang999]

Originally posted by Andrey83
In the comic, which is based on homer, she loves paris. And in the trailer it looks like she does too, so i think this is the version they will go with...

That is the version they are going with. The thing about being accurate to Homer's work is a long debate because most of the people who have learned or read about Trojan War used the translated sources. Every scholar who translated Homer's works probably have different understanding of the original text. This is why there are so many versions.

Up to this point, I am pretty much give up about how the movie will be. If the worst come to worst, I will just skip this movie all together.

[FilmJerk]

glad this moie got an r rating

[stonefaced_1]

That means there will be good violence. Not Scorpion King violence.

[KayTang999]

A reasonable, relevent, rational, and appropriate violence to give some justice to the story itself.

[Leto II]

Really looking forward to this, hope its good.

[rayzor09]

I really want to see it. Hope there's lots of boobies.

[krazy_marco74]

wow good news for me, my english teacher is going to the theatres to watch troy on the opening day (may 7th) with the class during school! cool! i get to watch it with my friends.

[Undome-Elenamin]

Oh you guys in Vancouver are lucky. I have to wait til the 14th if I remember correctly.

[rayzor09]

and boobies...

[bigmanjg225533]

^------wtf?

[KayTang999]

Originally posted by krazy_marco74
wow good news for me, my english teacher is going to the theatres to watch troy on the opening day (may 7th) with the class during school! cool! i get to watch it with my friends.

Interesting!!! I would love to see any high school class in US even allow to view R rated movie in school. But I am not sure if Troy would be a good education resource. It is aimming (SP) to entertain, not being accurate.

[Undome-Elenamin]

Okay, something kinda freaked me out today. From what I hear, Paris might not die. WTF is this about.

[Darkness]

They rejected the Gabriel Yared score for the movie and James Horner is now doing to score. A much better pick. I'm not sure why they didn't go for Horner in the beginning. He and Zimmer are about the best epic movie soundtrack makers out there.

[krazy_marco74]

Originally posted by KayTang999
Interesting!!! I would love to see any high school class in US even allow to view R rated movie in school. But I am not sure if Troy would be a good education resource. It is aimming (SP) to entertain, not being accurate.

You're right it is aiming to entertain, but the movie is based on "The Iliad", the epic Greek poem by Homer., and our english teacher wants us to watch the movie instead of reading the poem becuase its really long. Our teacher doesnt know its rated R for graphic violence, if he knew he might not let us go see it, hope its rated 14A in canada. Our english teacher said he sat down with the director or producer i forgot and talked him about their movie Troy. and the teacher mentioned about it being based on The Iliad and the director or producer who he was talking to said he didnt know it was based on a Poem??? i might heard wrong but i do remember him saying something like that.

[Andrey83]

Hehe. Thats pretty bad if he didnt know :)

[todd philip]

I'm glad Troy is rated R

[JackBauer]

Originally posted by Darkness
They rejected the Gabriel Yared score for the movie and James Horner is now doing to score. A much better pick. I'm not sure why they didn't go for Horner in the beginning. He and Zimmer are about the best epic movie soundtrack makers out there.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! now THAT was a mistake!! hate you petersen!!! DIE!

i love horner and zimmer's music but what i heard from yared (trailer music, hompage music samples) they were f****** GREAAAAAT!!!! whats the point?

i hope the music from yared will be available!

realy stupid idea if you ask me

[bigmanjg225533]

i have full convidence in wolfgang peterson that he will make a great movie with a great score.

[Darkness]

I'm not exactly sure why they waited until almost a month before release to switch composers. While I'll admit that the trailer music is very fitting, there must have been a major problem for them to decide to change now. I do know that there was the complaints from the test screening that there was something wrong with the music either because it just sounded bad, or because it wasn't finished yet. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that this is probably related to that.

[JackBauer]

never mind.

is this hector vs. achilles?
http://www.cinemax.ch/Content/infos/troy/troy12.jpg

just found this new pic

http://www.cinemax.ch/Content/infos/troy/troy07.jpg

[Undome-Elenamin]

Is it just me or does the blood on that sword look awfully fake on that sword? As for Pitt, niiiice. Lol

[JackBauer]

wait, there was a scene (japanese trailer) with pitt lying on the ground and yelling.....remember? now look at first pic i posted. in the trailer you can see a man lying on the ground(dead?)...is that hector?

[bigmanjg225533]

i dont think so

[bigmanjg225533]

where did u get the pics?

[Darkness]

I believe that first picture is Hector killing Patrocolus. The hair is too long for Pitt and Hector and Achilles didn't fight in battle, they fought one on one, no army should be around them.

[Elf Lady]

They're from Cinemax.ch (http://www.cinemax.ch/Content/infos/filme/troy.htm)

Those pics were on joblo.com (http://joblo.com/upcomingmovies/movies.php?id=171) as well.

But this one I haven't seen:

http://www.cinemax.ch/Content/infos/troy/troy03.jpg

[Andrey83]

Thats an awsome one. Never seen that either elflady. Pretty good.

[bigmanjg225533]

that pic i think is probably from when achilles and his men storm the beach

[JackBauer]

Originally posted by Darkness
I believe that first picture is Hector killing Patrocolus. The hair is too long for Pitt and Hector and Achilles didn't fight in battle, they fought one on one, no army should be around them.

ok, but patrocolus is kinda slimsy, not that muscular.
but i think you're right on the other hand, they didn't fight in battle

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by JackBauer
but i think you're right on the other hand, they didn't fight in battle

Who knows? This is the movie, not the book. They may have changed many things....

[bigmanjg225533]

and in the book patrocolus went to battle in achilles armour, so in that pic it probably is patrocolus

[Leto II]

I just found out about the Troy score being rejected and that James Horner is now taking over, freaking cool:applaud:

[JackBauer]

i don't think thats cool, i like horners music (titanic,braveheart) but i love the original theme:(

[anaria22]

It's for the best as far as I'm concerned. I love the braveheart music. I'm hoping for a repeat, quality wise.

[KayTang999]

Score problem with the movie about a month to be released and someone just said that her teacher who spoke with the maker of this movie said the director and producer who didn't know Iliad is poem based this from Homer. Umm...from what I heard so far, this movie is not even remotely close to being accurately based Iliad.

I smell trouble.

I like the score of the trailer. I have no problem and JH's work but GY has done a great job so far. *shaking head*

Oh, whoever said that it was R because of extreme violent, well you are right but you are missing major nudity part.

[Colorado Cajun]

We all know the Iliad has no part with this film, so it's time to move past that now. We are going to need to watch it for what it is, a love story/action film

[KayTang999]

Yeah exactly, and WB/maker need to stop doing the whole "Based on Illiad by Homer" too. So from now on until the movie is release, I better not hear it or else I won't stop mentioning it.

[Penny Lane]

they should say "loosely based on the Illiad"

I dont know if this has been talked about yet and i dont care to go check through 54 pages worth of posting, but---
does anyone else think it would be really awesome if (and only if) troy knocks our socks off, so they decide to do a second film based on the Odyssey (with sean bean of course)

[JackBauer]

it will happen(odyssey) sooner or later, i can smell it...would be great with sean bean, but i doubt petersen will do a direct sequel, i heard he has two other projects

[KayTang999]

Yes, they should said that or "Inspired by one of the biggest war of ancient time". Now wouldn't object to whatever the heck they are doing right now.

Yeah, many of us think that it would be great if they decided to do Odyssey.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by KayTang999
Score problem with the movie about a month to be released and someone just said that her teacher who spoke with the maker of this movie said the director and producer who didn't know Iliad is poem based this from Homer. Umm...from what I heard so far, this movie is not even remotely close to being accurately based Iliad.

I smell trouble.

I like the score of the trailer. I have no problem and JH's work but GY has done a great job so far. *shaking head*

Oh, whoever said that it was R because of extreme violent, well you are right but you are missing major nudity part.

Erm.....The score on the trailer has nothing to do with the composer....

[KayTang999]

Sure it hasn't but it didn't say it wasn't his either.

[Darkness]

I actually not sure if that was his music either. There wasn't much of it either, even if it were. Don't know. Like I said, it must have been something major if they decided to change it at such late notice.

[KayTang999]

My theory when it comes to this kind of issue would be either money deal or they can't agree on the concept. Most likely would be concept. It happened to POTC too.

[Elf Lady]

Gabriel Yared wrote a statement about his score's rejection.

"The Score of Troy - A Mystery Unveiled", read it here:

http://www.dertrojanischekrieg.de/statement.html

[KayTang999]

So it was too over-powering? Isn't it supposed to be over-powering? I mean look at LORT' score. It was perfectly over-powering. I think I like LOTR' score more than the movie itself.

[ILOVEKATIE]

I would love for them to do a Odyssey film, the tv movie version they gave a few years ago(96 or 97 ?) was awesome, which by the way its on dvd incase you missed it.

[JackBauer]

Originally posted by Elf Lady
Gabriel Yared wrote a statement about his score's rejection.

"The Score of Troy - A Mystery Unveiled", read it here:

http://www.dertrojanischekrieg.de/statement.html

what a shame. a one years work thrown away just like that.

hope horner can to this, he has only 45days!!!!!

[KayTang999]

I am sure Horner can do it but it is a rush so the quality might not be his best.

[Darkness]

Overpowering isn't always good though, just to make a point. The music is supposed to add to the movie, not distract from it, and from the test screenings, people were complaining about the music being too "loud". Either way, Horner is gifted with this sort of thing and I'm sure he'll be fine.

[KayTang999]

But this is war and epic movie, the music suppose to be "loud". If it is loud and uplifting to fit the tone of the movie, it should be really good. Unless it is loud in annoying way.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by Darkness
Overpowering isn't always good though, just to make a point. The music is supposed to add to the movie, not distract from it, and from the test screenings, people were complaining about the music being too "loud". Either way, Horner is gifted with this sort of thing and I'm sure he'll be fine.

Well, the music on the test screenings wasnt even from any of the composer (I have read). It was just some other music added...

[KayTang999]

I think they might want someone with a bigger name to compose, that might be why they rejected GY and got JH to do it. Who knows.

[JackBauer]

nice!!

http://www.moviecitynews.com/arrays/images/2004/Troy/TROY.jpg

the new second full trailer is great!! check it out, CS main

[Andrey83]

WOW WOW WOW. That is the most awsome poster of 2004 imo! Man that was great. Thanks alot for posting it

By the way: That new trailer is SPOILER filled. VERY much too. I think too much....

[JackBauer]

no prob, it was on the CS main page.

but damn, you saw the new trailer??? :eek: :eek: :eek:
just saw it in hi-res, FANTASTIC!!

AND YOU CAN FINALY SEE SEAN BEAN!!!

i can imagine the new poster as the dvd cover, would be cool

[Andrey83]

Ey, ey, ey. This you have to share with me. I only saw a streaming version....it looked good!

Where can i download a high res one?

[KayTang999]

Nice poster, now I like that better than the one before. How long is the new trailer?

[JackBauer]

sorry it's not hi-res, i mean high band! i saw the streaming version too, but it looks realy great. please if anyone has the dowload source, tell me!

[Darkness]

Good trailer. I sort of liked the first one better, but this one is good too.

[Penny Lane]

i wonder if/when they will put the newest trailer on the site?

[Penny Lane]

i mean the official website for troy

[Andrey83]

What is bad is that i think i saw a quick flash of MAJOR SPOILER Hector killing achilles.....

And there also seemed to be a quick shot of (minor spoiler) Achilles fighting Paris

Hmmmm....thats not in the story.....but then, this is a movie so.....

[KayTang999]

Are you sure it is not just edit/cut to make it look like that? It could be though. They tend to do that a lot for most movies' trailers. I don't think they are that moron.

[Andrey83]

I'm not sure. Its streeming so its hard to see, but it looks like it.....

What you see is: (MAJOR SPOILER)

Hector slashing achilles in the head or something, and achilles falls back with his eyes shut.....

hmmmm..... but of cource that paris thing could work since it actually is he who kills hector, but maybe in the movie they rewrite it so that achilles kills paris, and then hector kills achilles, but is wounded in the fight, and they all die....?

[KayTang999]

But didn't they said Paris is not dead in this movie? I know that Achilles killed Hector and Paris revenged that and killed Achilles in Homer's version.

[Andrey83]

You should probably put that in spoiler tags ;)

But where did you hear that thing about paris?

[Elf Lady]

I watched it frame by frame and what you see is Paris slashing at an opponent that is offscreen (but it's Menelaus) to a quick edit cut to Achilles throwing his head back when I believe Paris' arrow finds him later in the film.

http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/orlando/troy/trailers/troy_reuters/images/022.jpg Note Menelaus' armored shoulder in the right hand corner.

http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/orlando/troy/trailers/troy_reuters/images/023.jpg
Note Briseis' hand here
http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/orlando/troy/trailers/troy_reuters/images/027.jpg

[KayTang999]

Originally posted by Andrey83
You should probably put that in spoiler tags ;)

But where did you hear that thing about paris?

That is not spoiler. Unless your school didn't teach you about Iliad or you have never heard of Trojan War, then it would. But since you are here, I think you already know that.

About Paris, if you read all the posts on this thread, it has been discuss for awhile now that there is rumor that he is not dead at the end of the movie. It was not put in spoiler tag because it is rumor.

[krazy_marco74]

does anyone have another link to the new trailer?

[Andrey83]

Kay: wow...sorry.....talking about being cracked up....... whats wrong? Did I say something that made you attack me?

I know the story etc..... i just said it because some people that dont know these things should be able to choose (yes i know you think "then dont enter the thread")....But many people enter for pics etc....

just my opinion....do what you like....

[spiderman_2k]

Yep Im sure I dont know any of that stuff...

Dont Matter though I havent read it...But using Spoiler Tags is common courtesy.

[KayTang999]

Originally posted by Andrey83
Kay: wow...sorry.....talking about being cracked up....... whats wrong? Did I say something that made you attack me?

I know the story etc..... i just said it because some people that dont know these things should be able to choose (yes i know you think "then dont enter the thread")....But many people enter for pics etc....

just my opinion....do what you like....

I saw ;) at the end, I know. I am just explaining why I didn't put it in spoiler tag. I was just explaining, not attacking. Since I think that beside the fact that a lot of good looking guys are in this movie, most people who tune in would at least know the basic idea of Trojan War.

I will keep in mind that thing need to be place in spoiler tag.

[JackBauer]

what do you guys think about the new poster?

[krazy_marco74]

the new poster looks really cool, one the best posters of 2004 i've seen so far

[Darkness]

I loved the new poster. It's a little more clutered than the first, but it gets the story across well.

As for the picture of Achilles in the trailer, I was under the assumption that it was of him getting shot by Paris and that it was just how the trailer was spliced. It's hard to tell with trailers. They splice them and put wording in such weird places that you never really know. I think some of the back shots we're seeing and the quick spliced ones that are of Hector killing someone are him killing Patrocalus, not Achilles. Or it could be a dream sequence. You never know with trailers.

[Gone In 60sec]

I love the new poster. Along with the new trailer. Im gonna take May 14th off and go see it all day along with some other movies maybe but If I really really like (Which I think I will) I might see it 2 or three times. I Can't wait for this movie to come out!!

**Spoiler***
I think the movie is gonna go in the way of Achilles killing Hector then Paris killing Achilles. IMO
******END SPOILER*****

[JackBauer]

yeah, thats what i think.

and i'm sure i'll see this movie more then 3 times (theatre only)

[krazy_marco74]

will this new trailer be attached to any movies?

[RebelwithaCause]

I agree about the poster...its' freaking stunning.

[KayTang999]

Originally posted by Gone In 60sec
I love the new poster. Along with the new trailer. Im gonna take May 14th off and go see it all day along with some other movies maybe but If I really really like (Which I think I will) I might see it 2 or three times. I Can't wait for this movie to come out!!

**Spoiler***
I think the movie is gonna go in the way of Achilles killing Hector then Paris killing Achilles. IMO
******END SPOILER*****

That is how it should be. I think that how it is going to be too.

[Andrey83]

I loved that you could finally see Sean Bean now. He is in the new trailer :)

[KayTang999]

You know, I watch it 5 times and I still can't find Sean Bean.

[WuTical]

Originally posted by JackBauer
nice!!

http://www.moviecitynews.com/arrays/images/2004/Troy/TROY.jpg

the new second full trailer is great!! check it out, CS main this is one of the best posters ive seen in a while

[Penny Lane]

sean bean is towards the end and he's only there for a split second, sadly

[KayTang999]

It might be because it is not a quicktime and it is really hard to spot anyone.

[Elf Lady]

Capped Sean Bean for you Kay. :)
http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/orlando/troy/trailers/troy_reuters/images/028.jpg

[KayTang999]

Thanks!!! This is why they casted Sean Bean and David Wenham as brothers in LOTR!!! They look so much alike!!! When I was waiting for the picture to download and saw part of it I was like, "Damn, he looks like David Wenham a lot, it's the nose!!!"

[Andrey83]

Your right. He DO look like him....But i have a feeling that sean beans role will be very very small. Even smaller then in the story...

[adt100]

Originally posted by JackBauer
nice!!

http://www.moviecitynews.com/arrays/images/2004/Troy/TROY.jpg


Persoanlly I think it looks pretty cheesy, and almost more like a fan-art poster would be. :(

The teaser poster was great, but as ever, the studio have gone with an over-crowded montage effect for the theatrical poster.

I think the POTC and ROTK TP's were far more effective.

[bigmanjg225533]

yesterday i was watching sports center and saw a troy tv spot that had some cool footage but it went by fast so all i remember is seeing priam leaning down and kissing something/someone SPOILERS (maybe he was kissing one of his sons dead bodies)

[anaria22]

Wait, is Priam a trojan? The father of paris and hector?

[bigmanjg225533]

yes priam is king of troy and father to hector and paris.

[KayTang999]

Probably kissing his sons' foreheads before they went to war I supposed.

[redman]

god damn that was a good trailer.......

brad pitt's acting doesnt look as good as i hoped......but its only a trailer......

[Penny Lane]

i actually think Pitt seems pretty good

[anaria22]

Yeah, I like it when he like jumps up and dive bombs this person from above, with his sword outstretched. Very cool.

[Darkness]

Saw the commercial during a basketball game. Looks very good, though it was hard to see everything that was going on in it since it was sort of fast.

[UnicornBlood3]

Originally posted by KayTang999
That is how it should be. I think that how it is going to be too.

Isn't that how the real story goes?

That poster looks freaken awesome!

[PsYkOoOoO]

Originally posted by Penny Lane
i actually think Pitt seems pretty good

"Is there no one else?Is there no one else?"

"Now you know who you are fighting."

Wow.

[Glordreen]

This movie will be amazing.

[JackBauer]

wtf? brad pitt looks great in this movie, its just you've never seen him in such a role. what do you want, ****ing russel crowe??

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
"Is there no one else?Is there no one else?"


This line is soooooooooo cool. I hope it fits in when he uses it in the film. If i do, this can easily become my favorite line of the year!

[bigmanjg225533]

i like it when agamemnon says "smash their walls, if it costs me 40,000 greeks!"

[Andrey83]

he says that in the trailer?

[JackBauer]

yes, in the new one. and it's such a great line too. brian has such a great voice, he's perfect cast as well imo

[JackBauer]

hey, the official site is great but seems like they don't want to add the newest stuff!! why? we have 2 new trailers and posters and they don't care.

+ is the new trailer already available in QT?

[adt100]

Bloom and Pitt didn't seem to deliver their lines in a particularly great way to me. Pretty much to type.

"Immorality. It's yours, take it!" just sounds a bit dodgy to me.

[Penny Lane]

i guess we'll see. it seems like they put those lines in the trailer to make people all excited, so when the movie comes out and we get all of the dialogue, we will be able to have a real debate on the acting

[KayTang999]

Originally posted by UnicornBlood3
Isn't that how the real story goes?

That poster looks freaken awesome!

That is how the story in Homer's version goes. I don't know about the movie. Seems like they might change it. I am not so sure.

[todd philip]

is it just me or does brad pitts acting seem a tad cheesy?

[JackBauer]

its just you =)

[redman]

Originally posted by JackBauer
wtf? brad pitt looks great in this movie, its just you've never seen him in such a role. what do you want, ****ing russel crowe??

calm the **** down...........

[spiderman_2k]

****, ****edy, **** ****

Sorry I just felt like joining in with the swearing...

[KayTang999]

^ LOL Well I don't want to get banned yet I will refrain myself.

[JackBauer]

Originally posted by redman
calm the **** down...........

no! http://forum.rpg-ring.com/forum/images/smilies/3/smilefamasani_1.gif whats your problem? :D

[spiderman_2k]

Nice Peashooter...;)

http://mysmilies.ipbfree.com/s/contrib/sarge/BoomSmilie_anim.gif

[JackBauer]

tough ;)

[KayTang999]

You people must be really bored.

[Islanders22]

i wouldnt have picked brad pitt for the role. just like i never would have picked ben affleck for daredevil. Im not comparing the 2 but i cant see brad pitt doing that role. i could be wrong. daredevil was ok but if it was somebody other then ben it would have been way better. i feel the same way about Pitt in Troy

[KayTang999]

Actually, if I remember correctly, Brad offered himself for this role, he didn't audition for it or anything. From what I have heard, he wanted to do Alexander (Oliver Stone's version), but Jen didn't like the idea of homosexual so he didn't do it. Then Troy and Wolfgang came along and Achilles was Alexander the Great's role model/ancestor, so Brad kind of jumped in. This is probably most likely not accurate or correct but this is from what I have heard from entertainment news sources.

[southern]

new Premiere mag has Troy as it's featured story:)
many interesting things

[Penny Lane]

when is the new premiere on stands?

[JackBauer]

damn, i hope they put up the new trailer in QT soon...

[Elf Lady]

Here's a scan of the Premiere cover:
http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/misc/misc2/images/premiere_04may2.jpg

[anaria22]

I sure do love watching Orlando scowl at me....while wearing a skirt....and having artfully mussed hair. What a hottie.

[southern]

my cover was torn to ****:evil:

they had quite a lot of spoilers in there

[KayTang999]

Why can't that cover be Brad Pitt? And the "sexes up" thing is disturbing. Is this is how they see this movie?

[Darkness]

Why, hello soldier. I do so like a man in armor.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about the "sexing up" things a whole lot. The Brad Pitt is sexy angle as been beaten into the ground and they're just doing it to the new guy now. That and really Paris is the "lover" of the movie, if you want to pin one down. It's his over active libido that starts everything.

[KayTang999]

So is Achilles. If it wasn't because he pissed at Agamemnon about taking his woman, the out come of Trojan War might have been a bit different.

[Elf Lady]

From Latino Review (http://latinoreview.com/films_2004/wb/troy/intl-poster.html), the new international poster:

http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/orlando/troy/images/poster_intl.jpg

[JackBauer]

nice :applaud:

but the teaser poster rules everything!!

[Elf Lady]

Tech Com Forces (http://www.techcomforces.com/html/troy_trailers.html) has a clip of the new TV Troy trailer which aired during the NCAA basketball broadcast last night, thanks to OBM for the heads up.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by JackBauer
nice :applaud:

but the teaser poster rules everything!!

agree! That was the coolest poster of the year!

[Andrey83]

http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Awful/cauth/Archive2004/040325.html

WTF?! Troys budget raised to $270 mill.....??? Wouldnt that make it the most expensive film then?

[Darkness]

Originally posted by KayTang999
So is Achilles. If it wasn't because he pissed at Agamemnon about taking his woman, the out come of Trojan War might have been a bit different.
Yes, but in the original, Paris was the "stud" so to speak, while Achilles was the fighter. Paris was originally picked by the gods because he was extremely good looking. That's even mentioned in several of the myths. Achilles was mentioned only in perfection as a fighter, and he more than likly didn't look like Brad Pitt, being that he WAS a fighter. He'd probably be a lot more scarred, etc, even with the dipping in the river.

Anyhow, it's just a way for Premiere to get a good head line. Magazines would put just about anything on the cover for a good headline.

[KayTang999]

That why I said this is their way of getting more attention, like they need more than they already have.

I am sure that they will get all their money back plus profit.

[Darkness]

Nah, it wasn't really Troy that did that, it was Premiere. They're just trying to cash in.

[KayTang999]

Well them too but the movie get more exposer that way too.

[bigmanjg225533]

does anybody know when the new trailer will come out in better quality?

[JackBauer]

http://forum.rpg-ring.com/forum/images/smilies/s_045.gif

i'd like to know that too

[Penny Lane]

anyone know when the new premiere hits stands?

[KayTang999]

I think it is next week issue, I am almost certain but you have to check.

[Elf Lady]

It came out today. I picked up a copy at the newstand. There's also a whole slew of new Troy photos at JoBlo.com:

http://joblo.com/upcomingmovies/movies.php?id=171

Scroll towards the bottom for the new pictures.

[bigmanjg225533]

Nice Pics!

[Penny Lane]

i like that we finally have a definate shot of Odysseus and not a flash from the trailer

[anaria22]

It really does look like odysseus is going to have a dinky part. That's just sad. Great actor, cool character. He's on of the reasons I'm so excited over this movie. But hey, maybe I'm mistaken.

[KayTang999]

If that is how Odysseus end up to be, I will hate this movie so much.

[anaria22]

Yeah, because I kind of see him as a standing stone. Everyone else is hot, a ploy to get more viewers, or they are dead, or they're warriors. But he's smart, he lives (I'm pretty sure) he's cool, and he's sean bean. Without him, the movie might just be a teen movie disguised with swords and armor.

[WDTSF]

Who plays Odysseus? Sean Bean? (sorry, i love the story and i'm totally going to see the movie but i'm kinda out of the loop on pre-release info)

[KayTang999]

Yes, Sean Bean is Odysseus.

[cg124]

Originally posted by Andrey83
http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Awful/cauth/Archive2004/040325.html

WTF?! Troys budget raised to $270 mill.....??? Wouldnt that make it the most expensive film then?

whoa thats a hella lot of money

[WDTSF]

Originally posted by KayTang999
If that is how Odysseus end up to be, I will hate this movie so much.
Why?? Odysseus doesn't play a huge role in this. So why would you be mad if he didn't get enough screen time? I recently watched The Odyssey and of course he's the star but I mean he was in every single scene. This is not "his time to shine"

:)

[KayTang999]

anaria22 said, "It really does look like odysseus is going to have a dinky part." Is dinky suppose to mean small part? If it is then I misunderstood what she said. I won't entirely hate movie for it but I would probably enjoy less.

[WDTSF]

ok here's the official definition of "dinky" lol:

1. Of small size or consequence; insignificant.
2. Of poor quality; shabby.

I was thinking of size, maybe you were thinking insignificant?

[KayTang999]

I have no idea what I was thinking, I know I wasn't thinking about the significant, I was probably thinking about the negative conotation to the character.

[anaria22]

Just to clarify, being the original user of the word "dinky", I meant the first part of the first definition. A small part. Because it most certainly will not be shabby or bad.

[WDTSF]

I like your sig:)

[KayTang999]

Even Odysseus is not a big role in Iliad, he was the one who came with the horse idea. I hope that they get that part right.

[WDTSF]

That's probably the climax dontcha think? I mean, if they messed that up they would piss off a lot of ppl so I think they prob paid extra attention to that part. at least i hope.

[KayTang999]

You never know, they might have Achilles do that part.

[Andrey83]

^^no, no, no, no...god i hope not....but then again, you never know with movie makers ;)

[adnamasevoltam]

i truly pray they stay extremely honest to the texts (minus the gods factor it would seem - which is ok, IMO). while the Illiad and Oddyssey are rather boring reads on a whole (Illiad moreso), when u get down to the basics of the stories, characters, action, etc...it is an amazing story to tell. i just dont want them to give Pitt all the grandeur b/c of his name or change stuff to make it more interesting/whatever. its really good as it is if u cut out all the excessively mundane and pointless details.

[dragonfly104]

I heard that Orlando aqnd Brad are going to both end up dead at the end of the movie. Diane Kruger plays Helen and she gets nud in the movie. Orlando has sex with her . OH YEAH !

[anaria22]

^okay then....moving on.

[bigmanjg225533]

ya wut she said^

[KayTang999]

^ agree

I wonder if the person even know what this is about.

[bigmanjg225533]

i doubt it

[KayTang999]

That is sad. I know that the point of film is entertainment but seriously, you should know what you are watching and understand the story. People just care about who will be in the movie and if there are any nudity or violent or cursing words.

[bigmanjg225533]

i know, its pretty sad

[KayTang999]

The suck part is that filmaker comply to that or stir it up themselves.

[anaria22]

Yeah, because sadly, it's what sells.

[KayTang999]

And the problem is what sells doesn't make a good movie, and apparently people don't care about good movies anymore.

[adnamasevoltam]

i think (and hope) that Wolfgang will do a good job of playing directly from the text...*knocks on wood*.

but ya...it is sad that sex and violence r the basics for the conception of good money making today...*sigh*...luckily its not portrayed as good films...just for the $. The Illiad is exceptionally bloody, however...so the violence is called for here ;)

[KayTang999]

I hope so too but from many rumors and spoilers, it doesn't sound like it will be directly from text.

[Elf Lady]

Latino Review posted character banners and the theatrical lobby standee.

http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2004/wb/troy/troy.html

[KayTang999]

Why can't they have one for Odysseus? Oh right because he is not "important" enough to get one.

[JackBauer]

he may get his own movie. at least i hope he gets, because sean is a great actor and i think this movie will have more about achilles than odysseus, cuz the story doesn't focus at him

[anaria22]

Maybe they'll make the Odyssey after this movie and then he'll have his movie. (Sadly though, I doubt that)

[Andrey83]

Well, maybe they just kill him off at the end....who knows, this is movie and hollywood. Everything can happen :)

[KayTang999]

^ Exactly!!! After all, aren't they planning on keeping Paris alive?

[Andrey83]

Thats what i've heard (from you actually :) ), so everything can happen.... I just hope it doesnt turn out to be a very happy ending....with paris and his love.....

[anaria22]

Wait! I didn't know they were planning to keep Paris alive! When and where did you hear that?

[Elf Lady]

Some new promotional photos at Stefan's site:

http://www.dertrojanischekrieg.de/offfotos.html

[ILOVEKATIE]

Thanks Elf Lady, great pictures.

[Darkness]

Thank you for that delicious man candy, EL. ;)

[JackBauer]

great pic!

http://www.dertrojanischekrieg.de/bilder2/Szenenbild_10_700x466.jpg

[KayTang999]

Originally posted by anaria22
Wait! I didn't know they were planning to keep Paris alive! When and where did you hear that?

On here, some where, you can start from the first page.

[anaria22]

Yeah, all 60 of them. I think I'll pass and take your word for it. And is it just me or does Achilles have a really large dent in his right shoulder.

[KayTang999]

I started to less worry or care about the story now because it is pointless. Nothing can change it now. I get tired of being piss about how much the story change.

[Penny Lane]

yeah, it's easy to get angry at changes but since we can't do anything about them we might as well except it and move on

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by Penny Lane
yeah, it's easy to get angry at changes but since we can't do anything about them we might as well except it and move on

Yup. i'm sure the movie will be great anyway :)

[KayTang999]

I hope so, or I will just forget about it if it is not as I hope. Oh well.

[adonihs]

I dont know how to do the tagging thing where you cant read unless you highlight..but..












Achilles kills Hector.
Paris kills Achilles.
Melanouse (Helen's "husband") kills Paris.

[KayTang999]

In the movie or in The Iliad? Because if it is in The Iliad, you got everything right except Menalaus killed Paris part.

[Yavanna]

Originally posted by JackBauer
great pic!

http://www.dertrojanischekrieg.de/bilder2/Szenenbild_10_700x466.jpg

OMG I just had to say what a great piccie this is, he looks sooooo HOT!!!

[KayTang999]

I have a question and this is totally off topic but some how related because it would be about another bio epic movie.

Does anyone remember about Neil Jordan wants to make a movie based on The Borgia Family and casted Viggo who then turned down and the role went to Ewan and Christina Ricci and Ian McKellen are also casted in this movie?

What I am trying to say is that this will also be as interesting movie as Troy and Alexander, more so with Alexander.

[adonihs]

Originally posted by KayTang999
In the movie or in The Iliad? Because if it is in The Iliad, you got everything right except Menalaus killed Paris part.

Look at that website above with all the dutch or german langauge, you can see a pic of Orlando Bloom falling to his knees with blood pouring out of his mouth and Menalaus standing in front of him.

[bigmanjg225533]

ya but if u scrool down u see a pic of hector taking paris away from the field

[JackBauer]

its german, and i don't think he'll die like that. that wouldn't make any sense.

[JackBauer]

the page also reveals that warner germany gave infos about a plot changing. here you see achillies and the trojan horse, but i don't know if thats true

http://www.dertrojanischekrieg.de/bilder2/Szenenbild_17_466x700.jpg

[JackBauer]

what a sweet pic

http://www.dertrojanischekrieg.de/bilder2/pictroy07.jpg

and this is hector with paris, and i think he got injuries from meleanus-fight but he didn't die.

http://www.dertrojanischekrieg.de/bilder2/brueder2.jpg

and now i want an achilles-movie :D

http://www.dertrojanischekrieg.de/bilder2/pictroy03.jpg

[KayTang999]

Now that is a prove alright that Achilles isn't dead when the Trojan Horse hit Troy.

It is true to Iliad that Paris almost get killed by Menelaus in the one on one battle, but it was Aphodites who save him, not Hector in the Iliad. Of course since she is not in the movie, they have to have someone save him.

[JackBauer]

i think this movie will be wonderfull! no matter how close to iliad, i'll love it